Comments on: How should a church respond to critics? /blog/index.php/2010/02/19/how-should-a-church-respond-to-critics/ News and happenings from around Gospel.com Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:17:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.2 By: Michelle /blog/index.php/2010/02/19/how-should-a-church-respond-to-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-59987 Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:38:50 +0000 /blog/?p=3823#comment-59987 “…and the truth will set you free”

Your church is only as great as the people who believe in the One who gives us the choice to be saved by His grace through believing in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice for our pitiful lives. Beyond that, it is not our call to judge because we’ve been warned about judging. We were called to judge ourselves and rightly divide the word of truth.

Arguments come when the ‘pious’ declare a fault. 99% of their arguments come from a lack of understanding. Proverbs 4:7 will protect us all if we’ll walk in that wisdom.

The Holy Bible is God’s instructions for us to live OUR lives, personally, for him. If we’d stop trying to get everyone to do things OUR way and start doing them God’s way, this wouldn’t even be a topic on this site.

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By: Christopher /blog/index.php/2010/02/19/how-should-a-church-respond-to-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-50694 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:45:35 +0000 /blog/?p=3823#comment-50694 I think its scum for a church leader to do this. All this money can be put to greater use to expand the church. Really 8 million dollars for travel for a single person, a single church leader. Many bishops and pope travel economic class, when they are going to speak or go to conferences.
This is no church its one big scam. This man is a millionaire.

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By: Adelina Stalder /blog/index.php/2010/02/19/how-should-a-church-respond-to-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-39513 Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:58:42 +0000 /blog/?p=3823#comment-39513 This trend has reached a whole new level thanks to of on-line blog services that you can bring anywhere. Since most people spend more time online, blogs like help them kick their research into overdrive, Adelina Stalder

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By: Sean Scott /blog/index.php/2010/02/19/how-should-a-church-respond-to-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-39140 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:13:34 +0000 /blog/?p=3823#comment-39140 “The Church” has had critics since the serpent deceived Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Today’s technology-centered society just provides different avenues for the same age-old criticisms. Some might be warranted and others not. Nobody is disputing that over history there have not been scandals involving churches and people connected with them. We are, after all, only sinful humans in a fallen world.

That is where the beauty of the grace and forgiveness of God is so wonderful.

Let’s also not forget the parts of the Bible that instruct us on being holy, being honest, or being forgiving. If the church, the pastor, and whoever else, is conducting itself according to Scripture-based principles then I believe God has equipped it properly to withstand criticisms.

Some critics are unbelievers who use every small negative to make an attack on God. We hope and pray that Jesus reaches them, as we are reminded to “turn the other cheek” and keep believing, praying, forgiving and doing God’s work.

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By: Chris /blog/index.php/2010/02/19/how-should-a-church-respond-to-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-39069 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:11:42 +0000 /blog/?p=3823#comment-39069 John, as you stated, leasing is different from buying. I can lease a car for a year or two for a lot less than buying a car outright. I’m sure that the Fellowship financial board knows that as well and made their decision accordingly.

Can we question whether or not it’s something a church should even consider? Absolutely! Frankly, I’d be very uncomfortable if my pastor leased (or bought) a private plane.

Also, I was using slanderous in the dictionary sense (ie purposefully attempting to defame Ed), not the legal. My apologizes if that was unclear.

I only bring the leasing/buying thing up because the report uses it along with the 2200 square footage discrepency as a way to cast Ed in a less than favorable light. In my mind, it calls the rest of the report into question.

Anyway…

I agree with you. It really does seem to be something that should have been handled in a business type meeting, and frankly, it could have been circumvented if they published their financials in an easy to find place.

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By: John /blog/index.php/2010/02/19/how-should-a-church-respond-to-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-39061 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:31:52 +0000 /blog/?p=3823#comment-39061 “If leasing a plane works anything like leasing a car, the two are definitely different.”

How are they different? I think you’re stuck that the report seemed to indicate, I think, that Fellowship Church paid $8,000,000 outright for the plane. But if someone drives a Mercedes, leasing, making payments to own or an outright purchase, at the end of the day it’s expensive car to own or lease.

As for slander. The question the report raised about Ed’s character is was he hiding his lifestyle from his people. The reporter interviewed several people, one on camera. Ed’s character doesn’t hinge on a 2200 square foot difference but on a carefull scrutiny on ALL of the facts. Now the report didn’t do that in my opinion, but it didn’t rise to the level of slander in the legal definition of the word. Ed was asked for an interview and he declined. The intention was not to slander him

“Do you think it’s appropriate to address the questions in a church service? Or should it be done through other means?”

IMHO, it should be done through other means, it’s church business, so it should be handled as business. Actually by handling it the way they did they, addressing issues in a church-wide setting, not scheduled for businees, they seem to be confirming the major point of the report, that the people of the church are unaware of things. It all could have been handled by stating, “Here is a copy of our annual business reports for the past 10 years”, “if you have any questions let me know”

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By: Chris /blog/index.php/2010/02/19/how-should-a-church-respond-to-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-39048 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:11:40 +0000 /blog/?p=3823#comment-39048 @John, again, I’m not close enough to the situation to really make a judgment call on this situation. But, from what I’ve seen, Fellowship is trying to tell the truth. If leasing a plane works anything like leasing a car, the two are definitely different. Additionally, unless Ed’s house is 10,000 square feet (air conditioned or not), telling people it is 10,000 square feet is untrue. The report was presented as a critique on Ed’s character, so in this case citing something untrue would be slanderous in my opinion.

However, I can’t say about his salary package, as you mentioned, he hasn’t released it.

Anyway, back to the question at hand: I agree with you, honesty is the best policy. Do you think it’s appropriate to address the questions in a church service? Or should it be done through other means?

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By: John /blog/index.php/2010/02/19/how-should-a-church-respond-to-critics/comment-page-1/#comment-38924 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 04:57:47 +0000 /blog/?p=3823#comment-38924 How was the report slanderous? They admitted they owned the plane, leasing and owning are for the most part the same. The report mentioned he owned a 10,000 square foot home, Ed said it’s really 7800sgft of “air conditioned” space, the house is probably just about 10,000 sguare feet, Ed never released his entire Salary package, housing allowance, benefits, salary etc, so we don’t know about that. Anyway the point of the report claims Ed was keeping these things from his people, was He? He never said. So I’m still trying to see how the report is slanderous?

But to answer your question the best way to respond to critics is to tell the truth, that never fails.

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